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Things are gonna go to true hell in a handbasket over the next 3 years. Theres no disagrement there. Crical Mass fall 2012
Why arent 'the elected /us going more higher prep level, in the shtf atmosphere we know were facing problems ?


My Opinion is 70% of Gimmers are unprepaired .

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I'm sure some GIM'ers are more prepped then others, What is the higher prep level?
at least GIM'ers know it is coming, and I'm sure most are doing all they can, I am.

Most people I talk to including family look at me funny and you can tell they think I am crazy, so I don't say to much to them, they think the government will work it all out.

It'll be fine they say.

The sheep are in denial.

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You have been around here for a year and you think that only 30% of GIM's are prepped?

Silly person you are.

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Been trying to help my family prepare mentally and physically...

The fruits of my labor????

My parents just got a Wii !!!!!

:favorites21::favorites21::favorites21:

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i got a Wii too.
it's awesome. i'm just about through with the New Mario Bros. got to bowser last night. didn't make it before i hit the sack.
they should give me their unit number and we can play mario kart over the net... They got wifi right? if they don't they should definitely sell a couple silver rounds and get a wifi router...

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For the most part our family group units is very prepared.

i would say our weakest part is our level of dependancy on Diesel and Electricity for production and our comforts. but even with out either we could survive very well

we do stockpile in agregate several thousand gals of diesel but eventually it would run out and limit some of our abilities.

i have no doubt we could take in our city dwelling family units and also support them if needed.

it is a great blessing to have multiple family units living within a easy days horse ride of each other with each being self sufficient and having unique abilitys and talents

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How long until you act? "Act", as in storing food and ammo, or "act", as in moving into a missile silo and shooting at the mailman and every other Fed who steps on my property?

Popps, I'm confused about your message, and why you think 70% are unprepared.

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To come up with a hard number like that, you're gonna have to define what "prepared" means.


"To be ready is not" --Ponce

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I'm not prepared. I am trying to prep a family of 4. Sad thing is that I am really figuring that my extended family will also rely on me which makes it even harder. My family thinks that I'm crazy when I talk about shtf so at this point I've resorted to telling them that they need to be prepared for a hurricane (which is a possibility here) and to survive at least 2 weeks to a month without anything. Using that logic I have gotten them to realize that they need to step it up a little.

I have a leg up on most people I know that are still in the dark completely, but I am miles away from being ready. Oh well - better to wake up late than never.

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Lets estimate on TN ANDY's position. when you here its too late already, Id say ya,, Im in and do the best I can... Its mental and emotional Prep/ maturity which 70% may not have.

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Why act? If you're on a mission to act, good luck to you. 99+% of population is against you. I'd suggest keep yourself invisible to the public to the best of your abilities. You might see the light of the next day. Those 99% will clash with TPTB. Just watch and don't root for either side.
On a scale 1 to 10 readiness, I brought myself to 7 within 1 year, so don't underestimate GIM.

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I've resorted to using the "Earthquake Preparedness" explanation to get those close to me to prep. It gets to the point that you have to be careful who you talk TSHTF to, since most sheeple just give you that "look".

I went target shooting with a long time friend last weekend. We started talking about disaster scenarios, and gradually worked into TSHTF. It was kind of funny how we both approached the subject cautiously, but then found out we are on the same wavelength. We both figured we are at about 50% prepped, with a lot of work to do in the next few months.

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I found out that at least one family of my extended family is as unprepared as ever...having no more than a few days of food at any time in their pantry. I'd say most of my extended family is like that family...unprepared. My family is better prepared but by no means prepared enough. It would be my guess that is the answer most gimmers or survivalists would say.

As far as "acting"...I'm acting now in preparation. When civil law breaks down, then it's time for more drastic measures.

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Well, if TN Andy is the standard, then 95% of GIM is unprepared!!! Andy is the iridium standard, and I'm in awe of what he's done.

Are YOU ate TN Andy level too, Popps?

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Only so much I can do, I'm in a foreign country and can only prep PM's and food. Can't stock pile weapons or buy land here as a foreigner. Been there, and done what I can. One thing I have done is bought a mondo amount of the local silver monetary/Olympic coins.

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This is a copy and paste of my post in "the Au/Ag ratio out of 63" thread, I think this applies here too:

In a real SHTF food, ammo and fuel will be kings, I hope nobody has doubts about this.
One cannot eat gold and silver has too high of a melting point to make bullets quickly.

The scenario where there is an orderly collapse of the $, gold is for big transactions and silver for change is a pipe dream.
THe $ collapse CANNOT be orderly, it is TSHTF ITSELF.

For holders of PMs an ideal situation is a medium-grade SHTF where the prices of PMs go thru the roof but the basic functioning society is still there but I`m not sure such a situation is possible. If USD is toilet paper and only guys with PMs have money you better be a multy-millionaire all in gold inside your own PREVIOUSLY BOUGHT fortress with an electric fence and machine guns.

An average holder of PMs won`t survive more than a few days in a real SHTF unless you are self-sufficient in the middle of nowhere, the big cities will become meatgrinders within hrs.


PS. I`LL TELL YOU WHAT BEING PREPPED MEANS TO ME BY NOW. IT SIMPLY MEANS BEING MENTALLY READY TO DIE.

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WEAK.

I've been watching Armageddon Week on History Channel.

I've got it all figured out and I'm ready to rock and roll now. It's "GO TIME!!!" :banana:

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I`m in NYC aka human sewer, my weaponry consists of Surefire lights and nasty custom blades. When I smell TSHTF I`ll call my dealer to order a significant amount of drugs, get 2-3 pretty girls plus a large caliber pistol with at least a few boxes of ammo. My actual plans are blowing my last money on and spending my last days with babes/coke/smack combo "Reichstag April 30 1945 style", then maybe squeezing a few shots at the NWO b4 blowing my own brains out while you the stronger and braver men will be busy fulltime shotgunning NWO Blackwater helicopters.
What exactly do you mean by Go Time?

PS. I remember August 2003,4:15 PM The Northeast Blackout here;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_Blackout_of_2003

I went out to buy batteries at 4:55 PM and people were already stepping over each other trying to get the last flashlights/batteries. That`s what happens in the big cities 40 minutes after the lights and AC goes out. Hitler had a quieter time in his bunker on April 30,1945 when Russian tanks were within 300 meters than we New Yorkers will have in 12 hrs after the real SHTF. Hopefully by that time I`ll be in bed between 2 young things.

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Hell no , just lookin for motivation my friend just motivation.....

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The key is to be faster than the rest...

Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.

Semper Fi.
http://www.adventureout.com/blog/upl...rs2-759769.jpg

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When Hollywood disappears, then I might act. :bear_tongue:

PS, go gold

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URAHHHHHHHH

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If Congress passes any kind of health care, the public will go ballistic and be prime for revolution. Our position is that bank lending will not improve nor will unemployment. If this is accompanied by official devaluation and default everything could break loose. The elitists realizing this will arrange another 9/11-type event with the usual cast of characters and we expect conflict will spread into Pakistan and that Israel will attack Iran enveloping the Middle East in flames. That would send oil prices considerably higher and cause a collapse of world stock markets, with the exception of gold and silver shares. The excuse to impose Martial law would be apparent. The country could go into lockdown. Transportation could be limited, food and gas rationed, banks closed and many other major inconveniences. The current mainline media, Wall Street and governmental propaganda about economic recovery would end, they never having to prove that a recovery ever existed. During the first six months of 2010, Americans and others will continue to live in their world of inreality. These hopeless fools are again being taken down the garden path. The world as we know it is about to change dramatically, so prepare for it.

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Chapman on China:

In addition as China has publicly stated the world has run out of enough dollars to service public debt. That means more Fed monetization, perhaps on a level of more than $1 trillion a year. That means hyperinflation, because the elitists won�t be ready, as yet, to pull the plug on the economy and plunge into deflationary depression. They have to increase terrorist events and world war on a parallel basis, so that all strike at the same time. This way they can blame the economic financial problems on the enemy who would be responsible for this horrible war. These are all the reasons for having freeze dry and dehydrated foods, a water filter and a method of defending your family as a first line of defense. All other funds should go into gold and silver coins and shares.

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Do you think all this is survivable in American society? Inspite of all the macho talk and mass gun ownership in US, most people here are softer than $hit. You haven`t had a shot fired here in the last 150 years and your Civil war losses were miniscule compared to what even very small nations have endured recently. Americans are uniquely addicted to COMFORT. half the population is obese,another half is on some drugs or both obese and on drugs.

I`ll give you a hint which nations can survive SHTF, those whose ENTIRE HISTORY IS UNITERRUPTED SHTF. Anglo-Saxon empire has sucked the life out of the rest of the planet for the past 500 years. You`ve had you good time. The ultimate price that you will pay for your centuries of good time is the fact that you have gradually softened to the point of no return. A slave owner who has spent all his time in the armchair will end up softer than his niggers (I use this term here without any malice towards the Black race but actually with respect).


You are not the pioneers who descended upon these shores 300 yrs ago. You can survive bad times but not Armageddon.

All this is not an excuse for not buying guns,ammo,water filters PMs,etc. We all must do this but don`t entertain hopes of getting out of the end of the world alive.

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There, I fixed it for you. We're all going to die after all. I've already had a good life and I'm too old to die young. Don't plan on getting out of this world alive.

You are certainly correct in your basic premise, Occam. Compared to the Russian people who have a centuries old history of SHTF and were well prepared to survive the collapse of the old Soviet Union, people in the U.S. have, by my calculation, been on easy street for about 60 years. Most alive today don't even remember the good old days when you didn't eat meat every day of the week, when ordinary people went potty in unheated outhouses, when people lit their homes in the evenings with kerosene lanterns, when a man went house-to-house delivering ice for the iceboxes, when nearly every home in town had a vegetable garden, etc., etc. I remember. And today we are spoiled rotten and ill-prepared as a society for any kind of difficulty.

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I didn`t know you were so old Merlin, looking at your avatar:)
I was also gonna say you`ll never get out of this world alive.
SHTF is by definition is massive amount of people around you dying so be ready to face it. It`s not weak as one guy here said but it`s actually the essence of bushido or the samurai code of honor, being ready to die every moment of your life,it actually says:" dying must be as easy as a sakura leaf falling off the tree".

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I will easily admit that I am in the 70% of GIMers that are unprepared. I seriously doubt that I will be ever prepared for SHTF. I will also have to admit that I am not doing much to prep for SHTF because I live in a city and I do not plan to move out of the city. I have no choice but to survive in the city. The only thing that I am doing is buying extra canned food but that is not SHTF prepping for me. That is just extra food for me to have if I am not able to go to the grocery store because of bad weather.

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Amen, Merlin.

But Occam has several valid points....Americans are softer than Charmin toilet paper and dumber than coal buckets....and even hard times will destroy a lot of them....it won't even take a full blown SHTF.

I've always said your neighbors will likely be your worst nightmare, not blue helmet guys or black helicopters.

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That about sums it up. How long can we postpone the enevitable? How can we be of service to our families/loved ones? I think those are common values with the core GIMers that I follow the advice of.

Am I prepared to face death?

Today I am reading Phaedo, the story of Socrate's last day on earth. It starts at sunrise with the gathering of his friends at the prison and ends at sunset when Socrates drinks the hemlock. I haven't read that book since college days, but I remember Socrates had no fear of death, in fact, he looked forward to the journey.

Socrates was prepped. All the rest is filler and a hopeful postponement of the enevitable.

I agree with those who think the mental/spiritual preperations are the most important aspects of being ready for anything.

As far as physical preps, other than storing a few nuts for winter the animals don't worry much about tomorrow and seem to get by....

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You guys are 100% correct on how soft, lazy, dumb, and unprepared most people are.

We lost power due to a wet snow before Christmas, the power was out about a day or two at the most in my area.

Very few people had backup heat or had put in thought into what to do when the power goes out. The one guy I thought may be a liitle preped had a woodstove and no wood and he had a generator, but had not started it in over 5 years.

As TN Andy said your neighbors will be the first problem and about day 2 or 3 without power they will be desperate.

The mental aspect of SHTF will not only be hard manual labor, but the battle you will have as the have nots start showing up at the gate.

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And do you suppose he's learned his lesson & is prepping now? Or is it just 'back to business as usual'?

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I am sure in his mind the power came back on this time and it will come back on next time.

He did ask me to cut him or sale him some firewood, so time will tell. I loaned him propane tanks last time this happened. The day will come that I can not loan him anything.

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I hope you tell him that OFTEN. A lot of people won't prep, especially if they believe their neighbor (or government) will help them out. :banghead:

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I produce my own power, have my own water well, you can't see my house from the county Rd. Nearest house in 6 miles away.

Do I have a good chance? Depends on the circumstances.

I do think I am better off then someone who lives in the city. Maybe not though..

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Sounds like a great set-up, but a little lonely.

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Me and my dearly departed have lived here since 89', It is home, quite solitude.
Lock the gates and it is our own private little world, He taught me to be self sufficient, kinda had to be out here.

But I'm only about 15 min's from a major freeway.